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Week 9
Nov 14, 2015 21:20:03 GMT -5
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Post by realcordova on Nov 14, 2015 21:20:03 GMT -5
And for the record non of us are a fan of the ID cards, but the ref can't actually take it upon himself to use another (more legitimate) piece of ID.
I don't expect people to love it but none of us actually have the power to cancel a game or award points, we went into the day having to play. The character assassination is excessive.
This might help a few understand (still not like) it a bit better.
The club will likely lose a div 2 spot this season The club has a decent chance at being promoted to div 2. The club has a healthy u21 program this year, full of players we may not be able to provide a div 2 option for next season Every player signed has been told this, and knew what to expect re playing time etc coming in, this season was always going to be a wholehearted attempt to get a div 2 spot back and everyone was on board The club asked Ian to get the div 3 team promoted, due to the fact that he is the most likely available person to succeed and could likely talk some good players into playing for him
So woe is us but it just simply isn't the same list of factors going into the decision as blue man would have to make for a team currently mid table for a club with teams in every VISL division. You and others only have to worry about your singular team and that's fine. At the moment we have a bigger picture going on.
Now there might have been two or three of us that wanted to play still, but with 6 players out I would ask them why they were dishonest with us about understanding what this team was going to be this season. We have other div 3 teams at the club that could definitely have used them and still can if they weren't/aren't committed to the aim. It was meant to be tough s**t for us last night, and maybe we would've won anyway, but a mistake was made and we didn't have to find out.
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Week 9
Nov 14, 2015 22:04:52 GMT -5
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Post by justwait on Nov 14, 2015 22:04:52 GMT -5
Jesus, I see there is no point. It seems you heard what you wanted to hear, the way you wanted to hear it. You must be right, there will be no players at training this week I guess, the team may even fold. Be careful what you believe from irked players that didn't find what they were looking for (playing time usually). One person got called a scumbag, a person that was behaving like one. Sent out to hurt people? That's an outrageous thing to say, we might get sent off and lose a game! Slander isn't cool. Anyway, the ref came over and said "we've been emailed from Vince this week and told to crack down on player cards, we're getting in trouble for not checking them properly and they don't have theirs". We asked what that meant, the ref said "a forfeit, unless we wait". We asked how long cuz the Bobcats play at 8 (it was now 6:12ish already) and were told by the ref that there isn't really a grace period but he could pretend he needed the toilet and postpone the game a short time. He did that. So.... 1)You agree that players were p**sed with his actions, but they don't count because they're mad at their lack of play time? (However if you took the forfeit and played anyways they would probably have gotten play time). Proves I wasn't making that up. 2) That he did make that comment about his players, and it's ok because he has to move the team up... So in other words do whatever it takes to win and disregard ethics and respect and literally everything soccer stands for In the world... 3) That he did call the player on the opposing team, that was tryin to come to a fair compromise, a scumbag... Wow my factual story becoming more factual by you confirming every thing I said... Thank you. 4) Your saying he was worried about the bob cats game at 8 being effected as the reason but that he needs to move his team up to div 2??? So which one is it??? #flipflopmuch? 5) I know for a fact he instructed his players to hurt ours after the game was out of reach, so it wouldn't have effected the win!!! That was my point, he knew all was lost and instead of losin gracefully he took the low road and wanted to hurt people... (Further proves the character of Ian Bush) Dude just be a man and admit it was a $hit move done because he cared more about taking points in pursuit of an agenda to move his team up a division rather than doing the right thing... It bloody clear as day...
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Nov 15, 2015 0:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by realcordova on Nov 15, 2015 0:18:14 GMT -5
It is clear you have an agenda here
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Nov 15, 2015 0:41:39 GMT -5
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Post by Extratime on Nov 15, 2015 0:41:39 GMT -5
Ok we get it justwait dose not like the sffc coach and he's sour about losing.
Any updates on any of the other game?
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Week 9
Nov 15, 2015 1:54:53 GMT -5
Post by bob on Nov 15, 2015 1:54:53 GMT -5
Hmm
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Nov 15, 2015 14:47:49 GMT -5
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Post by justwait on Nov 15, 2015 14:47:49 GMT -5
Ok we get it justwait dose not like the sffc coach and he's sour about losing. Any updates on any of the other game? I actually had never even talked to the man before that night, and you obviously need to work on your reading comprehension skills.... How can we be sour about "losing" as you have to actually play a game to lose one and secondly the entire pretty much dialogue is about respect for the game of soccer whether you win or lose... So you go keep telling everyone you "won" that night and that your team has adhered to the spirit of the game... See how well that goes over, did you enjoy your post game pints talking over the game with your mates and the other team? Maybe even telling your friends and family about how awesome you guys played that night too!!? Wow good on you!!! You epitomize the word plumber... Lol
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Week 9
Nov 15, 2015 14:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by justwait on Nov 15, 2015 14:52:29 GMT -5
It is clear you have an agenda here No agenda, Just to let the league and all players coaches and soccer lovers know the facts about what you did... Not my fault if you feel bad about it... Our agenda was to play soccer that night, literally in our agenda at 615... Sorry we tried to bump our appointment back 10-15 mins due to an extenuating circumstance... We even tried to play after you cowards forced the ref to forfeit... So there you go, our agenda was pretty clear...
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Week 9
Nov 15, 2015 17:23:20 GMT -5
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Post by realcordova on Nov 15, 2015 17:23:20 GMT -5
You can be upset about the forfeit but I am unsure why everyone thinks a game should've been played regardless. What is in that for us to play a refless game against a team of upset players while our squad is threadbare due to injuries as it is? Forfeit + a game was never on the table, there was nothing in that for us, and you still woud've been on here afterwards.
Write a petition to the league about player cards if you are this upset about it, I'd probably sign it. We sent a u21 player up to Cowichan last weekend and he got to sit there while our 1s got pasted short players because he forgot his card. We all feel it from time to time. You may not be able to empathize with that as you are an independent team. You are shirking all responsibility, like someone asked, yes you can use a scanned copy once a season, which one of you has one in your car?
I don't expect anyone to love it, I wouldn't, but it made no sense from a club standpoint to play that game that's the reality. We are a club team with a club objective this season, it's a one off, in an attempt to offer a full program to graduating u21 players next season and we all signed up for it. You seem to need a focal point for your frustration and aggression, but direct zero of it to yourselves or the league, that's ok but the abuse and ire you direct towards one person over it is appalling. This was not a renegade unilateral decision made by one person on impulse. You will all get plenty of chance this season to put egg in the clubs face, by all means look forward to it, and good luck.
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Post by aliability on Nov 15, 2015 21:23:52 GMT -5
Wow. I've read through the msg board for this weeks action and no surprise the only thing being talked about is this card scandal!
I thought I would look up the definition of the word "amateur" and here's what I found: a person who engages in a study, sport, or other activity for pleasure rather than for financial benefit or professional reasons.
This does not fit the description. Having not been there and not knowing the entire story, and by the sounds of things justwait is embellishing to fit his "agenda". I also haven't seen anyone openly say they respect the decision of the coach and that they would have acted similarly. The responses from Sffc are out of respect of the coach( happy to hear the players all respect the guy running their organization). But no one affirming his action.
I urge anyone who reads this post objectively to reply with empathy for the Sffc coaches decision I would argue that his actions were inappropriate and have no place in amateur sport. With regards to the comments about "big picture", reality check, this is bigger than your bottom weighted organization, and anyone who would willingly take 3 free points instead of playing what I personally thought would have been a great game has no business in our division anyway.
Another thing I have a problem with is people who promote problems with no solutions. Well here's a simple solution. Play the f**king game that both teams PAID to play.
So I'll end this with a good luck the rest of the season Sffc, I truly hope you get promoted. As I personally would like nothing to do with your team...
Sorry everyone more predictions coming this week! Ps great game Westcastle!! Confidence builder?!?
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Nov 15, 2015 22:39:33 GMT -5
Post by otterpointpete on Nov 15, 2015 22:39:33 GMT -5
It might be a mute point & I didn't read every comment. What time did the ID cards arrive @ the field? In theory because Hellas cards weren't @ the game they didn't have any legit players @ Lochside @ kickoff (6:15). In theory every team has a 15 min grace period to get at least 7 players on the pitch or the game is abandoned.
If the only issue was the no cards & 6:15pm & the cards were there by 6:30 & the Hellas had at least 7 players ready to play. I am not sure Hellas forfeited the game.
Hellas if you dodge the fine & forfeit I will see you at Greekfest next September, & I hope there is some ouzo waiting for me.
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Nov 15, 2015 22:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by Extratime on Nov 15, 2015 22:56:21 GMT -5
It might be a mute point & I didn't read every comment. What time did the ID cards arrive @ the field? In theory because Hellas cards weren't @ the game they didn't have any legit players @ Lochside @ kickoff (6:15). In theory every team has a 15 min grace period to get at least 7 players on the pitch or the game is abandoned. If the only issue was the no cards & 6:15pm & the cards were there by 6:30 & the Hellas had at least 7 players ready to play. I am not sure Hellas forfeited the game. Hellas if you dodge the fine & forfeit I will see you at Greekfest next September, & I hope there is some ouzo waiting for me. The kick off time was 6:15 the cards arrived later once the players were walking back to the parking lot the ref was going to give them a five minute grace period, one of the Hellas players said the cards were 10-15 away I believe. But by the time the cards showed up the game had already been forfeited.
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Week 9
Nov 15, 2015 23:10:03 GMT -5
Post by greenbastard on Nov 15, 2015 23:10:03 GMT -5
The big Q is what time did the cards arrive n was the ref still there. This is good.
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Nov 15, 2015 23:24:07 GMT -5
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Post by Extratime on Nov 15, 2015 23:24:07 GMT -5
The big Q is what time did the cards arrive n was the ref still there. This is good. Ref was gone by the time the cards showed up. I'm not sure the exact time they arrived
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Week 9
Nov 15, 2015 23:36:01 GMT -5
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Post by theorangesuit on Nov 15, 2015 23:36:01 GMT -5
Wow look at all the comments. This is entertainment.
Gorge over Lakers 4-1. From what I heard this game got ugly and the Reffing was not great either. Gorge came out strong first 45. Lakers were missing key player including starter goalie. There next game against each other should be good
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Week 9
Nov 15, 2015 23:40:43 GMT -5
Post by greenbastard on Nov 15, 2015 23:40:43 GMT -5
This is bigger than Rousey getting her jaw broken.
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